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Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

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Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » November 25th, 2010, 2:53 am

Edit O5.20. "13 For more recent entries see http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewforum.php?f=13

Lacepunk ¿? Mid-18th C. being (in Europe) the Age of the 'Lace Wars' http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=184102, and Victorian Sci-Fi being, if not exactly the same, to a large extent overlapping with 'Steampunk' as 'Sci-Fi in the Age of Steam'.
:arrow: See also: Cosmos 1756 - Maurice de Saxe on Mars? Swashbuckling on Mars (or in Mu):
http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=152

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On my blog, to keep all information relative to a given topic together I tend to treat each post as a 'folder', with the initial messages (generally edited & amplified afterwards) as the first 'file' in the folder, and to add new 'files' as [i]*comments*. Totally Google-reader unfriendly, since the updates are not spotted, but a complement to 'labels' to easily and exhaustively retrieve later all informations relevant to a given subject.
Thus my 'Lace Wars Sci-Fi and Fantasy' post of sept. 2009 http://mcristobylacew-abdul666.blogspot.com/2007/09/lace-wars-sci-fi.html has more than trebled and is developed in now (by dec. 28."10) 74 comments about diverse (yet hopefully relevant) topics:
10-some very recent ones (somehow I'm now limited to 4,096 characters / comment) are devoted to suggestions about the adaptation of Japanese 'Hellsing' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellsing to a mid-18th C. (quasi-)European setting (such as Pangaea...http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=650&p=9579#p9579) and to what miniatures are propitious to conversions to specific characters & types....
Older comments try to address, at least on a preliminary level:
Earthlings on Mars, Martians, origin and nature of life on Mars,
Christian clergy on Mars: missionaries or demon hunters;
Munchausenian steamtanks & APC, air power and H&M warfare;
Demons and political correctness, biology and ethics of vampires, reproductive strategy of long-lived species (Elves...),
minis and painting for 18th C. vampires, werewolves and undeads, aluminium and 'supernatural' creatures;
War Hammer Chaos Gods <-> 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse <-> 3 'functions' of Indo-European mythologies, the 5th Rider;
Computer engines and automatons orchestras;
Wargaming in the 'Monster Blood Tattoo' Half-Continent;
SYW Horror / Pulp [btw, latest relevant TMP thread: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=213630 (with links)];
Voodoo vs Hollywood, 'true' zombies vs ghouls; choice, conversion, painting an 'weathering' of the appropriate minis.
18th C. roused rabble and rioting / avenging mob: appropriate minis.
Munchausenian realization of Da Vinci's designs: Tortoise tank, helicopter, ornithopter...

Inspirational videos, even if the 1st is set in the 17th C?:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQd3MwT2fAM
and the other features Napoleonic shakos:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=pGoI5qJM2A8


Btw Wrath of Kings http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.288813707872850.71280.161083237312565&type=3 VSF Herald of Blood, converted with a tricorn, would make a great 18th C. adventuress wielding a Benjamin Franklin / Mesmer 'electric' weapon...
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Btw the Russian movie 1622 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1612_%28film%29 features an interesting tank http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ml_u3H_xA&feature=player_detailpage#t=269s, though the power source is unclear -then, since the movie also features unicorns (no the howitzer, the fée beast)...
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby Cardinal Biggles » November 25th, 2010, 9:41 am

Lace Punk I like that , I like that a lot..
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » December 5th, 2011, 9:02 am

The scientific "What-if?" at the basis of a Science-Fiction ('Lacepunk' if set in the 18th C.) is generally in the fields of physics / mechanics, allowing functional steam- or antigrav-tanks (according to the period), flying ships, radium rifles and the like.
But in can also be of biological nature.

The quasi-18th C. world of the 'Monster Blood Tattoo' series is not a 'Fantasy' one -despite some misleading vocabulary such as 'alchemists'- but a SF one. http://www.monsterbloodtattoo.com/home.html / http://monsterbloodtattoo.blogspot.com/ Image

The inhabitants of the 'Half-Continent' are tremendously advanced (far more than we are to-day) in the fields of applied biology and biochemistry. For instance they monstrous warships (up to almost 300 yards long) are powered by 'muscles'; yes, isolated and grown up muscles. I did not read the books so my doubts may be groundless, but an *isolated* muscle cannot work for long. It needs blood no be fed in glucose and oxygen and get rid of its wastes, carbon dioxide included; meaning it need a heart to pump the blood, lungs where the blood can exchange CO2 for O2, a source of feed for continuous supply of glucose, some form of excretory apparatus to evacuate the wastes (a liver could, for a time, carry out both functions). Wonder if all these requirements are accounted for in the books? Image
http://monsterbloodtattoo.blogspot.com/2010/10/well-cheers-dear-friends.html


A less far-fetched biological "What-if?" would be the survival of mammoths in Siberia (far less far fetched than the survival of dinosaurs in 'lost worlds' or 'underground continents'): thus the use of war mammoths by a 18th C. 'Sibero-Caucasian' Imagi-Nation http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=249759 would be a modest touch of 'Lacepunk'.
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Similarly, survival of Neanderthals, Homo floresiensis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis or Pithecantropes (remember something of '1M years BC', in addition to Raquel Welch in fur bikini?) or of 'pure blood Ainu in a 7th Continent in the Pacific Ocean... would be soft biological "What-if?".
To have an expedition of soldiers in tricorne meeting cavegirls in fur bikini http://cavegirlwargaming.blogspot.com/ / Amazons http://aryiki.com/a/Default.aspx would have some charm...
Shadowforge
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Maidenhead
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and even, possibly, Bronze Age
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-some technically more 'advanced'
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and some Tin Man http://tinminis.com/TinManCatalog.htm
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Relevant visuals (cavegirls):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNIRh0MWqm8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV2ZC1vPp-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXX5EFQAV48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdVZ1OtrxsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG9gsxp4Jks
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPX5PT6X9No :D )



Some features traditionally deemed 'Fantasy' can be re-interpreted as biological SF: for instance if 18th C. 'Melnibonean' Elves http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=246609 / http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=236526 (btw I maintain Elves don't have pointy ears http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=246022) are not 'magical' creatures of supernatural nature, but a subspecies of Homo sapiens with a few peculiarities and a very xenophobic culture, they belong to 'Lacepunk' (SF) rather than 'Lacepulp' (Fantasy).
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Even vampires, werewolves and zombies, if (according to most current descriptions) not at all 'undead' but living people infected by a pathogenic agent (almost a symbiont, in the case of vampires), come within the field of SF: 'I'm a legend' and 'Resident evil' are SF movies, not Fantasy ones.

Besides, the meaning of Fée or 'troll' in some texts is easily misunderstood: http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/syw-pulp-t363901-42.html#p11473870

Meaning that the frontier between 'Lacepulp' and 'Lacepunk' can be blurry at times. A good argument to mix them in an adventure / campaign.
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=214214
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » January 30th, 2012, 3:37 am

'Women wear their corset under their dress in VSF, over it in Steampunk'

Applies to other 'Xpulp' periods, thus those ladies are Lacepunk:
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » February 5th, 2012, 7:42 am

Space 1745?
http://mcristobylacew-abdul666.blogspot.com/2007/09/lace-wars-sci-fi.html#Cosm45

With respectable precedents such as Cyrano de Bergerac and the good Baron Munchausen, imagine your heroes (and heroines) in tricorne and justaucorps on Barsoom, for instance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcV7aXL8txU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6qWWAbs-_8
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=250016
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=256572
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=236765
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=236474
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=253926



But don't forget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_of_Mars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsawq3PBMms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO5RC-qeGqY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=RXxUz7UD_Yg

As an aficionado of 'B' to 'Z' SF and 'Sword & sandal' movies since the mid 1950, I'm no prejudiced at all against low-budget movies. And Traci Lords was quite good in 'Profiler' and 'Cry Baby' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry-Baby (with excellent 'period' music, btw) and except for the blond hair is as fitting as the Disney actress (and in more Barsoomian' dresses).
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Figurines-wise, the Bronze Age http://www.bronzeagemin.com/miniatures_html/32MM/SCI-FI/sci-fi28mm.htm and Tin Man http://tinminis.com/TinManCatalog.htm are perfect for Red Martians, the Parroom Station http://www.parroom.net/PSM_catalog/PSCat_catHome.html and RAFM (inferior imho) ones (<=>Space 1889) can be used for another, less perfectly humanoid, species [url]http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=193794[/url] but for alternative 'human-looking' ones other possibilities exist:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=135459

EDIT O4.11.12:
The new Raging Heroes [size=85]http://www.ragingheroes.com/
Blood Vestals
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look more than adequate to raise a Garde du Corps for such princess:
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While when discovering them most people think only 'Dark Elves / [potentially] Eldars', I needed not the be influenced by the recent Disney movie to immediately think: *Barsoom*!

Compare
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with
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Other demonstrative illustrations:
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Regarding the sculpting, same same origin as:
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Raging Heroes intends to propose SF variants (in all likelihood why the addition of a mini-sprue of hands holding alternate weapons), but to use the Blood Vestals in an ERB-influenced Mars setting very simple conversions (substituting e.g. Dark Eldar splinter pistols to # half the swords) of the already available Fantasy ones would suffice.

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Not totally off-topic, since dealing with that problematic Barsoomian nudity: Red Martians are egg-laying Mammals (Prototheria) and we know of such beings: our platypus and echidna. These are called 'Monotremes' (Greek for 'single hole' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotreme) because of their cloaca. The 'intermediate' position of such would render it invisible in 'frontal nudity', and as for males their reproductive apparatus is retracted and hidden 'inside' when not in use (as for those other egg-laying higher vertebrates, birds and most of reptiles).
Meaning that totally nude Red Martians would appear as sexless as Barbie and Ken dolls – biology can be amusing, sometimes.
This… less obtrusive morphology would explain why Red Martians don't share our… prejudices regarding this peculiar area.
Of course this would not prevent children from asking questions -children are by nature curious, less prejudiced than many adults, and know perfectly at least how *themselves* are built. Thus many little girls would ask: 'Mummy, why Dejah Thoris have no. like me... huh??'. But the question would not be really embarrassing, the obvious answer being: 'But, darling, she is a MARTIAN!'.
On the other hand such... discreet morphology would not allow to easily answer this intriguing question: since Green Martians have two pairs of arms, do their males have two pairs of... well, never mind
:mrgreen: .



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLC1LGZGZKk[/size]
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » February 16th, 2012, 8:17 am

'Ab-human' Fantasy races: 'credible' miniatures, specially for the 18th C.
Started a thread on TMP: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=257370

Because of the 'Fantasy' reference, many would consider the topic as within the field of Lacepulp http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/syw-pulp-t363901-42.html / http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/inspiration-for-a-moonlit-night-in-lusitania-game-t365788.html / http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/18th-c-werewolves-and-zombies-t365787.html.
Yet, preferring to see these 'races' as subspecies of Homo sapiens I see their existence as a biological 'What-if?', a Sci-Fi subsumption, and thus the topic relevant rather to Lacepunk.
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » July 7th, 2012, 3:28 am

As for 'Benjamin Franklin / Mesmer 'electric' weaponry' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=27216.msg330644#msg330644, among 'Colonel O'Truth''s marvelous VSF models http://colonelotruth.blogspot.fr the Galvanic Field Gun http://colonelotruth.blogspot.fr/2012/0 ... iness.html (), in animal draught and without many rivets, could appear in a Lace Wars battlefield.
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Besides Wrath of Kings http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.288813707872850.71280.161083237312565&type=3 VSF Herald of Blood , converted with a tricorn, would make a great 18th C. adventuress wielding a short range 'thunderbolt thrower'?
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Want automatons? Doctor Who Micro Universe http://www.whoblackpool.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=0&keyword=clockwork+man&x=19&y=14 offers two clockwork men http://www.whoblackpool.com/bmz_cache/2/28f1033861c483d0474dd779ce7a4865.image.600x468.jpg Image
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » July 9th, 2012, 8:34 am

Bioweapons for Lacepulp / Lacepunk?
Mechanical contraptions are typival of VSF, thus to give 'Lacepunk' (18th C., the time of the 'Lace Wars') an atmosphere / character / 'feeling' clearly different from 'Steampunk' (2nd half of the 19th C.) I'd see *biological* rather than mechanical experiments. 'Frankenstein' is early 19th C., and clearly antedates the 'Victorian Science Fiction' period. (For Carnevale, so much the more as the Doctors of the Ospedale are *medicine* doctors, physicians rather than physicists, biologists but not mechanics http://vesper-on.com/index.php?option=com_ninjaboard&view=topic&id=59&post=666&Itemid=5&lang=en#p666.)

The GW Tyranids bioweapons are silly, firstly because they seem to imply that the Tyranids have absorbed genes for swords, pistols and guns :lol: ! But chiefly because they are *held* in 'hand'. Now bioweapons are living organisms, actually ectoparasites of the wielder. They have to be fed -totally, in oxygen as well as in nutriments- just in the same way as an embryo is fed through the placenta. Thus bioweapons would not be held but pulled on *like a glove* and root themselves in the forearm of the wielder through a dense network of tendrils. Like the 'Witchblade' http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/w/wichbla3.jpg . http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4000000/Witchblade-comic-books-4030584-1024-768.jpg, but of bone (for the blade) and flesh (for the 'body') with a -rather disgusting- network of tendrils instead of the vambrace.

Such a biowepon could be the cephalothorax of a giant spider put on like a glove -with the mouth and the poisonous chelicerae, and the 8 limbs; spiders produce their silk -sometimes thrown like a retiarius' net- and for some throw a cloud of venomous hairs, with their abdomen, but 'bioengineered' why they could not do it with their front half?
These to arm a human; but variations are unlimited. think of a brainwashed human slave, or a gorilla, with the 'unfolding' mouth of the super-vampires of 'Blade 2' + the 'biting tongue' of the 'Alien' creature... The Carnevale rhino, rather than flexible pipes and other 'steampunk' looking additions, could carry on his back a 'biocannon' -the head of the 'spitting' termite http://www.lerako.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_5289.jpg, but the size of a little barrel, and orientable on 270° ...
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Many other possibilities spring to mind, for instance:
- a hypertrophied Bombardier Beetle 'fire gland' (close combat fire-thrower): if attached to the back of the hand, leaves the fingers free for other uses, if underhand can be combined with the following type,
-'erectile / retractile' bone sword (along the forearm) or 'interdigital' claws (XMen Wolverine -actually attached as a fingerless mitt for free humans) -of *hardened* bone, 'hypercrystallized', silicon-impregnated, with transmuted diamond edges and point; coated with poison or injecting venom...
- praying mantis whole arm (the spikes poisonous, in addition: the venomous, exodigestive gland of a spider's chelicera inside each?) on a bioconstruct, or extending the arms of a 'free human',
- The venomous octopus of Octopussy would be spectacular worn as a glove, but would desiccate too fast: the venom gland would have to be inside a 'regressed parasitic version /part' of an aerial organism, arthropod (spider cephalothorax?) or vertebrate (eagle claw?) -covered anyway with giant cnidocytes; but of course the stinger can be projected up to 1 yard at blinding speed....



Bioweapons are living organisms, and thus have to be kept alive, fed in nutriments and oxygen, even if 'turned down' to a 'dormant 'state. When carried by animals or 'controlled' bioconstructs (such as the shackheads of the Monster Blood Tattoo universe) Image
they can be set in place permanently
But if to be used by 'free' humans, how to maintain them when not in use? Maybe in some physiological liquid, the feeding tendrils then functioning also as (inefficient but sufficient, the parasite being as 'inactive' as a snail by dry hot weather) gills? Then, a pig could easily and without harm support more than half a dozen of 'sleeping' parasitic bioweapons.



Biocontructs in miniature
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Gary Hunt Amazons: praying mantis girls
Mainly in the context of 'Playing Malifaux in the 18th C.' I posted links to miniatures usable as bioconstructs on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=251127 and on the 'SYW Pulp' thread here http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/syw-pulp-t363901-42.html#p11408268
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » July 18th, 2012, 1:50 am

STILL TRYING TO SPREAD THE GOOD WORD
Edited O5.20."13

now on the Lead Adventure Forum:
initiating a specially devoted thread
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=43046
eagerly answering a question
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=30890.msg515187#msg515187
Hypocritically posted a 'board etiquette' query which was a 'disguised advert' for Lacepulp and Lacepunk
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44942.0
Started a threat about a 'Gothic 3 Musketeers'
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=45194.0 mostly to suggest to adapt it to the 18th C. (also on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=278634&page=1)
or shamelessly hijacking other threads:
about a 'gothic horror' book http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=43733.msg511943#msg511943
Strange Aeons http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44462.msg522183#msg522183
Malifaux http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44850.msg522244#msg522244
Empire of the Dead http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44911.msg524220#msg524220
2 threads about a 'Werewolf' movie http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44255.0
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=47007.0
a 'Lovecraftian' game http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=42516.msg514954#msg514954
a (marvelous) series of fantasy models
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=39498.msg511939#msg511939
or fantasy miniatures
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44462.msg522183#msg522183
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=43074.msg503774#msg503774
2 threads about miniatures for 'Assassin's Creed III' characters http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=46876.0 http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=47007.0
eagerly answered a query about the 'Colonial Gothic' game http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=48846.msg568842
hijacked (again!) a thread about a Werewolf movie http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=47007.msg568822#msg568822

Also on TMP hijacked a 'Lovecraftian' thread:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=275825,
a 'Franklin's galvanic weapons' one:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=278962
a 'Wargaming in Dinotopia' thread intended for VSF:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=280612
and a series of comments to (excellently painted) minis for 'Empire of the Dead'
http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.fr/2012/07/more-victorian-zombies-and-group-picture.html

And launched a '18th C. Empire of the Dead?' http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=276792 and a 'A 18th C. Witcher?' http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=277651 TMP threads,
and 'invaded' the new 18th C. Imagi-Nation board of the 'Rum Corps Tavern' http://ozwargaming.com/viewtopic.php?f=134&t=5407&p=34298#p34298
as well as the new 'Odd fellows' forum: http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?174-A-few-Lacepulp-amp-Lacepunk-links

A TMP post about "1812 - Napoleon on Mars" http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=281259 I hijacked and passed on the '18th C. Imagi-Nations' board http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=281364 and the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=46168.0. Then I posted my ramblings about "1745 - Maurice de Saxe on Mars" on Les Royaumes de l'Imagination http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=152, the new Odd Fellows Lounge forum http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?211-18th-C-swashbuckling-on-Mars-or-in-Mu and on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=281823, where while I was at it I hijacked a thread about Dinotopia http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=280612 :idea:

Started a TMP thread about a recent Norwegian movie featuring a Huldra: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=289796 and seized this opportunity to resurrect a 'Werewolves' one: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=249561; topic developed on the RdlI http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=169

Mentioned on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=289907 and the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=48884.0 the possible use of PP Cygnar Arcane Tempest Gun Mages' as 'alternate 18th C. SWAT' http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=170&p=591#p591.

:arrow: 2013: took a film Indiegogo http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=81&p=612#p612 as an excuse to resurrect old 'Lacepunk' thread on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=249561 and the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=32208.msg472801#msg472801 with new links.

:arrow: Updated the glimpses at mid-18th C. esoteric / occult / secret 'services' and societies both on NPU http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/inspiration-for-a-moonlit-night-in-lusitania-game-t365788.html#p2200721 and the MC blog http://mcristobylacew-abdul666.blogspot.fr/2007/09/lace-wars-sci-fi.html#%C2%A3o%C3%8Ag. Started a corresponding thread on both TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=292756 and (more detailed) on the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49673.0 -well,two complementary ones actually: http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49766.0, since cross-posting is not possible on fora; also two threads on the Odd Fellows Wargaming Lounge http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?283-The-Lemuel-Gulliver-Fellowship / http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?283-The-Marquis).

:arrow: Hijacked a thread on the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=48702.0 and one on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=292822 about potentially inspirational movies.

:arrow: Hijacked a thread on TMP about a new 18th C. Imagi-Nation in North America http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=293604 and three on the LAF, one about inspirational conversions http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=48966.msg570961#msg570961, one about 'Playing Cthulhu with Brink of Battle' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49861.0 and one about 'Empire of the Dead' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49931.0.

Seized the excuse of an upcoming 'Hawkmoon' Eureka range to hijack 2 different threads on the LAF Fantasy board http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49367.msg593960#msg593960 / http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=47685.msg593961#msg593961, posting 'relevant' links.
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Posted on the Odd Fellows Wargaming Lounge about available rules for 'Lacepulp' games / campaigns: http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?288-Rules-for-Lacepulp-games

Joyously invaded (twice) a LAF thread 'Lacepunk/Clockpunk/Weird 1600–1700s' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=51419.0, with a number of relevant links inserted in my posts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RTx5fowAw&t=21s

Posted unsolicited suggestions about a 18th C. transposition of 'Pride & Prejudice & Zombies' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=51679.msg606609#msg606609
and unsolicited comments about ornithopters http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=50623.msg608539#msg608539

Practiced thread necromancy twice on the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=51419.0 / http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49673.0 to 'advertise' a fellow wargamer's new endeavor "Tricornes and zombies"http://adventuresinlead.blogspot.fr/2013/05/18th-century-horror.html

Taking excuse of the Le Chevalier D'Eon Lacepulp anime I resurrected the 'Lacepulp: 18th C. vampyrs and werewolves' thread on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=249561 and the 'Lacepunk/Clockpunk/Weird 1600–1700s' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=51419.0 & '18th C. Torchwood' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49673.0 on the LAF; also updated the 'Hellsing by Lace Wars times?' http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=120 on the Royaumes de l'Imagination.
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » August 1st, 2012, 6:30 pm

WEREWOLF - The Beast Among Us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIQLFnRXfdY
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could easily be turned into a Lacepulp adventure (with a touch of Lacepunk: fire siphon, Puckle machine-gun...).
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http://18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.fr/2010/10/siphons-or-flame-throwers.html

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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » August 4th, 2012, 8:27 pm

EDIT: Lacepulp ("Clockworkpunk") after Lacepunk: Bogdanwaz of Gaslight in the Age of Reason and Ben Franklin's War fame started posting on his blog the extremely promising AAR of a 'Colonial Gothic Horror' adventure: a Devil in Jersey
:arrow: http://bogdanwaz.blogspot.fr/search/label/A%20Devil%20in%20Jersey
A sparkling cast of dramatis personae (Moll Daggett appearing as the most interesting and resourceful character, with the richest personality, experience and vocabulary); a tremendously enjoyable humorous writing; eye-candy illustrations: not to be missed!
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Btw, Foundry female Revenant Elves
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(with 'normalized' ears) would make great 18th C. witches or (kept as such?) female vampires?
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » August 14th, 2012, 8:59 am

A 18th C. WITCHER?
or a whole brotherhood / sisterhood of them!

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I know this video game http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witcher only through Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZcsNE6wCHI, but the little I saw has gaming potential -even for the 18th C.

- The mission: to lift the curse changing periodically a lovely young woman into a murdering monster. Not an uncommon curse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TNdjj6kppk -think also, without the murderous aspect, Ladyhawke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladyhawke and the old French tale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHS5hfzstmI of the White Doe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkT9MKCur94.
If you don't want magic, for a 'Sci-Fi explanation' (Lacepunk rather than Lacepulp) the 'curse' can be the long lasting effect of a Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde-type drug, triggering cataclysmic crises by night time.

- The character: in a Lacepulp alternate 18th C. where monsters exist -even if parents "My mommy always said there were no monsters - no real ones - but there are" and governments deny knowledge- a (secret) society of professional, alchemically-enhanced http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quw2P9QDe_0 monster hunters is almost compulsory.
Figurines-wise, a swashbuckler in 18th C. clothes: a 'leader' from a pirates range, a highwayman or more 'topically' a 'Gevaudan' type such as Fenryll chasseur de sorciere
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http://www.fenryll.com/product.php?id_product=391 (also Brigade Games?)
Now in 'alternate' 18th C. not a few women take a 'manly' life and profession, so what about a sorceliere?
The A Touch of Evil game http://www.flyingfrog.net/atouchofevil/ contains suitable (if not great) minis of both sexes
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available separately but there is a rich choice of "tricorne'" female fighting minis that could be simply converted -give them a backet-hilted broadsword and a crossbow slung across the back and a quiver of bolts (supposedly some silver-tipped, some of naked wood), accessories widely available in 'medieval' ranges -Freebooter & others also have pistols, to be hanging from the waistbelt or / and strapped to the thighs, blunderbusses, muskets http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/en/catalog/accessories...
If in suitable size, the 'NOT Anna Valerious"
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'Lahmiane' http://olivier.bredy.free.fr/www/page.php?page=sculpture_lahmiane looks like a natural choice.
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » August 25th, 2012, 3:39 am

'Gothic Swashbuckling' RPG as sources of Lacepulp inspiration

Just discovered on the web 'All for one: Regime Diabolique' http://www.tripleacegames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_23&products_id=250
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"EN GARDE! FIGHT FOUL BEASTS OF THE NIGHT!
The year is 1636 and France is a troubled nation. A great and terrible evil gnaws at its core and darkness stalks the land.
All that stands between chaos and order are the King’s Musketeers.
Explore a France of swashbuckling action, powerful magic, daring deeds, courtly intrigue, witty repartee, and vile monsters! The characters are France’s bravest and proudest defenders, the King’s Musketeers. Pitted against them is a plethora of corrupt nobles, black magicians, fell demons, and twisted secret societies. Set at the height of power of Cardinal Richelieu and Louis XIII, All for One: Régime Diabolique mixes the action of literary works such as The Count of Monte Cristo and The Three Musketeers with horror and intrigue to create a unique, vibrant setting.
Strap on your sword, salute the King, and prepare to cross swords with the creatures of darkness!

This version of All for One: Régime Diabolique is a musketeer roleplaying setting for Savage Worlds RPG."


The game is supported by a sourcebook and a number of (reportedly short and expensive :twisted: ) pdf supplements.

I mentioned it on the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=45194.0 and TMP
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=278634. A comment mentioned another similar game 'Witch Hunter: the invisible world' http://www.paradigmconcepts.com/witch_hunter/ / http://paradigmconcepts.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6
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Such RPG (plural: be eclectic, pick here and there :D ) can provide elements of background, ideas of scenarios and some game mechanisms for a campaign of 'skirmish' scale (think Morheim / Necromunda) played mainly with rules such as 'Gloire' http://www.rattrap-productions.com/Gloire/Index.html or 'Chaos in Carpathia' [size=85 http://geektactica.blogspot.fr/search/label/Gothic%20Horror%20Campaign[/size]
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All 3 are intended for the time of the 3 Musketeers, but could equally be set, for the tricorne lovers among us (and those with a good collection of 'pirates' minis), in ca. 1745 AD in an 'alternate' France where the Fronde des Princes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fronde triumphed, thus the central power exerts no more control than a century earlier in 'our time line'. I used this setting decades ago to play 'Flashing blades' http://www.fantasygamesunlimited.net/category/Flashing-Blades-6 in a 'Lace Wars' environment and it worked quite well.
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For games set in the 18th C. Freebooter Assassins [url]http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/en/catalog/miniatures/assassins[/url]
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&c....

and Carnevale http://vesper-on.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=7&Itemid=14&lang=en characters
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(is not this one reminiscent of a character in Barry Lyndon?)
&c...
spring to mind.
And if you need troops, what about Freebooter Arquebusières? http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/en/catalog/miniatures/imperials?page=1
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*: unfortunately the razorblades-edged fan looks as thick as a waffle iron. It was already the case with Shadowforge "NOT Sylvia in Brotherhood of the Wolf Scarlet Lady".
Btw it seems that, now that SF minis are sold by Eureka, the Laughing Monk range is no longer available? Too bad, it included several useful 18th C. 'Gévaudan' characters:

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The subtitle of 'All for one: Regime Diabolique' is Paris Gothique: reminds me of Venisalle, the mid-18th C. 'quasi France' of the Marquis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_%28comics%29
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(from http://themarquisinferno.blogspot.fr/2010/03/marquis-diableries-71.html)
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Re: Mid-18th C. Sci-Fi: Lacepunk

Postby abdul666lw » December 18th, 2012, 7:32 am

With their tricornes, cuffs and kraftpistole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_Cannon all PP Cygnar 'Arcane Tempest Gun Mages' http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/units look more 'Lacepulp / Lacepunk' than 'Steampunk'.
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In such 'alternate 18th C.' settings they could be used as monster http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=48846.0 / witch http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=255257 hunters, as the not-so-secret 'private army' ('Blackwood' because of 'Torchwood' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood rather than 'Blackwater'?) of the Priory of Scion http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=256383 or of the Grail Guardians http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6z1HtgO0lA or of the Hellsing Organization http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=120, as the King's Operatives in a 18th C. adaptation of 'Empire of the Dead' http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=276792, as Paladini di San Michele Arcangelo in the Inquisition / Opus Dei / Vatican service...


Societas Jesu: seal of the Cella Rerum Occultorum Calcinationis
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PP minis are *huge*, but are likely to be compatible with other reputedly 'larger than 28mm' figurines:
Black Scorpion
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Eureka (Shadowforge -Laughing Monk http://eurekamin.com.au/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=laughing%20monk&sort=2a&page=4) 'Not Brotherhood of the Wolf'
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Fenryll
http://fenryll.com/fr/391-chasseur-de-sorciere.html
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and Redoubt F&IW http://www.redoubtenterprises.com/shop/?page=shop/browse&category_id=4684cfb6200bcfbabb6fee4de874431e ones.


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Some may complain (http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=289793) that the 'tricornes' are cut at the angles, not merely bent as historically done.
Same 'problem' with the tricornes of some pirates, e.g. with 'Pirotess like' females such as the Freebooter one: http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/en/catalog/164
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(I vaguely remember an even 'worse' one, but cannot locate her at the moment).

The same with the (author's own) illustrations of the 'Monster Blood Tattoo' series http://monsterbloodtattoo.blogspot.fr/ . http://www.dmcornish.com/ . http://www.daviddraws.com/
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Then the 'oddity' is barely noticeable when 28mm minis are seen en masse from some feet on the gaming table.
(&, MBT figurines would be welcome for 'Lacepulp http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/syw-pulp-t363901.htm . http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/inspiration-for-a-moonlit-night-in-lusitania-game-t365788.html / Lacepunk' games, btw).
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