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SYW Pulp

For the living, the dead and the indeterminate .A place to plan pulp . pulp like and zombie & vampire advenntures..and ....

Re: SYW Pulp

Postby Cardinal Biggles » November 9th, 2011, 10:16 am

they are spectacular..
orguillo hacekus (adj. & adv.) Also orguilleus, -eux, orgul(o)us, orgoillous, orgeilus, orgeillous, (error) orgilour & (in surn. only) erguleis; sup. orguluste.

[OF orgoillos, orguillos, orguilleuse, orgellous, ergoillose.]

(a) Of persons, deportment, a message, etc.: proud, arrogant, assured; of attire: fine, opulent; -- also, as noun: a proud person; (b) as surname; (c) as adv.: proudly.
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Re: SYW Pulp

Postby abdul666lw » December 2nd, 2011, 7:21 am

"Swashbuckling" but with 'Pulp adventure' features:
'Le Scorpion' comics series: in French, but warmly recommended to all those enjoying 18th C. 'Pulp' / swashbuckling:
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The masked warrior monks are reminding of the (unwillingly?) funny 'Neo-Nazi Ninja Monks on Amphetamines' of 'Crimsom rivers 2' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Rivers_II:_Angels_of_the_Apocalypse.

Le Scorpion
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Wiki: ‌http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Scorpion
Official site: http://www.le-scorpion.com/

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PS: hope some 28mm minis manufacturer will get inspired -specially if his sculptor can do comely feminines (Eureka?).
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Re: SYW Pulp

Postby abdul666lw » December 6th, 2011, 8:28 am

Venisalle, a fictional land resembling France during the mid-18th century, complete with stratified society and Church dominance of everyday affairs. The story revolves around Vol de Galle, a former Inquisitor of The Faith who has the ability to see demons, many of which have infiltrated society disguised in human form. De Galle combats these entities with his sword and a pair of specially built, anachronistic revolvers.
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The Marquis comics mini-series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_%28comics%29


In eighteenth-century Venisalle, faith governs life and death, and the guilty hide their shame behind masks, showing their faces only in the secret rites of the confessional. It is to this stronghold of the Inquisition that the souls of Hell have escaped to possess the living, spreading sin, murder, and chaos. Amid the carnage, one man is blessed with the clarity to recognize the demons that prey on his countrymen – and the means to return them to the fires of Hell. But as the stakes rise, the lines separating good and evil begin to blur, and the Marquis – the dark avenger whom even demons fear to cross – finds himself torn between the blind faith that has defined his life and the bitter truths exposed under his new sight.

"it was during the 18th century that the Ministry of Inquisition ruled over the lands of Venisalle, for in the world of The Marquis, faith and religion are the strict laws of life and death. It is into this world that the souls of Hell have escaped to sin, murder and be free by taking possession of the living. During this time, a man of the Inquisition finds himself blessed with the ability to see into the very souls of the damned and fight the devils within. But as the Marquis begins his holy crusade to send back the escapees of Hell, the battle between good and evil starts to blur into a struggle between faith and sanity."

http://www.guydavisartworks.com/marquis.htm

This comics short series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_%28comics%29 is a very good, if a little extreme, example of Lacepulp
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The comics inspired a magnificent model
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from:http://www.bigbluetree.com/courtesan.cfm?hypertype=1#pagetop
(size not given, but would probably be a *huge* quasi-Lovecraftian monstrosity with 30mm minis). Btw the same sculptor did a Cthulhu Spawn 8.25" high: http://www.bigbluetree.com/item.cfm?id= ... tart_row=1

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A few ± recent Lovecraftian monstrosities (#i>failed attempt of resurrection):

Zenit:

Graft: http://zenitminiatures.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=99
Patched: http://zenitminiatures.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=96

Rotten: http://zenitminiatures.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=68

Enigma (Taban): [url]
http://www.taban-miniatures.com/shop2/index.php?cPath=25_45_40&osCsid=6fc1a1fc9fe46736812abf9524f16175[/url] ->

Dushatar: [url]http://www.taban-miniatures.com/shop2/product_info.php?cPath=25_45_40&products_id=134&osCsid=6fc1a1fc9fe46736812abf9524f16175
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Rotten Scum: http://www.taban-miniatures.com/shop2/product_info.php?cPath=25_45_40&products_id=119&osCsid=6fc1a1fc9fe46736812abf9524f16175

(Hell Dorado) Flesh demon:
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(Tengu) Son of Yog-Sothoth:
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and for a living & growing corpse -'The shunned house' type:
Kingdom Death (without the 'peripherals':

[url]http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/product/sunstalker-infant
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http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/product/wet-nurse
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Privateer Press 'Swamp Horror' is quite 'Lovecraftian':
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For those potentially interested with 'Lacepulp' (Horror / Pulp by the time of the Lace Wars):
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Re: SYW Pulp

Postby abdul666lw » December 11th, 2011, 9:47 am

Playing Malifaux in the 18th C.?

Some 'Horror' games set by tradition in the 'Gothic 19th C.' period such as 'Chaos in Carpathia' http://geektactica.blogspot.com/search/label/Gothic%20Horror%20Campaign
can obviously be played with 18th C. miniatures -as was demonstrated recently in Ardoberg-Holstein http://ardoberg.blogspot.com/search/label/Horror%20in%20the%20Age%20of%20Reason
A cornucopia of 'human' miniatures is available in 28-30mm size in historical (incl. highwaymen and smugglers) and pirates ranges; a few are hidden in unexpected places, such as Enigma Catherine, Valiant Pilgrims (female and 2 male), the female Duellist (sic) in the Cobalt SF range re-issued by Black Hat...
The boxed game 'A Touch of Evil' http://www.flyingfrog.net/atouchofevil/atoe_about.html includes 18th C. minis, including a (not very sexy) 'monster huntress' (wood bolts with a silver head would be equally efficient against vampires and werewolves): Image


'Monsters' and 'Supernaturals' are to be (almost) naked not to be 'labelled' to a given period by their clothes.
Naked Werewolves are widely available: Black Orc., Heresy, Otherworld, Reaper,.. The Crocodile Games 'Ghouls' (Pickman's model) can be used as spectacular werewolves. The Wolfen ('Confrontation') and Reaper Lupines are almost naked but carry hand-to-hand weapons. Other turned giant Hulk-fashion when shapechanging, so their trousers now look like 18th C. breeches (Uncle Mike, Westwind ...). Puppetwars' werewolves heads and arms allow conversion of human minis in 'period' costume. Now, the Bronze Age '18th C. female werefox' http://www.bronzeagemin.com/miniatures_html/32MM/FANTASY/Werecreatures/Were-fox.htm can pass for a specially cute were-shewolf (no tale-telling tail!).
Naked -but not too decayed to be 'credible'- Zombies are quite rare Image but naked 'generic ghouls' can play the part http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_11_27&zenid=b941180e76802bd0b8b15935366f6a4d / http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Undead/Core-Units-Regiments/Product/Undead-Ghoul-Regiment-20-Figures.html / http://www.taban-miniatures.com/shop2/product_info.php?cPath=25_45_40&products_id=126&osCsid=6fc1a1fc9fe46736812abf9524f16175.
A few 'undead Marines' from 'Fantasy Pirates' can be painted as zombies.
Yet still 'zombies' in movies are humans with some cosmetics, the easier way to obtain zombies in costume period is to slightly convert 'normal' human miniatures http://blog.belisarius.org.uk/2009/09/another-slight-diversion-zombie.html#comments: great demonstration (Victorian period) here: http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=10689.0
Vampires? According to the 2 seminal novels, Carmilla and Dracula, vampires can mix with humans totally unnoticed, so would NOT require special minis when in human form. Yet for those wishing to have vampires victims of the 'Sunnydale syndrome', Foundry 'Revenant Elves' are appropriate, specially the females Image
as well as Reaper 'Skinsaw man' http://www.reapermini.com/figurefinder#detail/60033, Zenit Thetis http://zenitminiatures.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22_29&products_id=36 and Reaper Gnome wizard for a young girl http://www.reapermini.com/figurefinder#detail/03340.
(Can of course be used 'straight' as 18th C. Elves http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=236526 / http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=247925 -though I maintain Elves do NOT have pointed ears http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=246022.
The WF plastic 'generic WSS infantry' http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/horse-and-musket is an abundant and relatively inexpensive sources of tricornes, for conversions in 28-30mm. Amazing how the mere addition of a tricorne can 'tag' a figurine "18th C.":
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from http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.com/2010/02/bondsmen-of-gierburg-leader.html -outstanding blog: Gieburg, a 18th C. Mordheim: http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.com/search/label/Gierburg;
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from http://herrschaden.blogspot.com/2009/08/pics.html)
Btw for those [i]*embarrassed* :oops: (given the blood feud between vampires and werevolves) by the rumor that master vampires can turn to giant wolves, Hellsing Ultimate offers a caper: Alucard turns into a giant *dog* (with more than one pair of eyes), and Taban Miniatures has a fitting figurine: http://www.taban-miniatures.com/shop2/product_info.php?cPath=48_54&products_id=287&osCsid=6fc1a1fc9fe46736812abf9524f16175[/i]
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(and I find changing to a flock of bats more 'in character' than turning to smoke')



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More 'specialized' Horror games such as 'Strange Aeons' can also be played in the 18th C.: http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.com/search/label/Strange%20Aeons%2018th%20century. Again the Lovecraftian monstrosities are widely available http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291555 / http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=33964.0; 'pirates' ranges offer suitable complementary figurines (surgeon with saw, carpenter with ax, 'hied hands' http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=135 The Privateer Press Warmachine mercenary 'press gang' (painted here: http://worldhistoryprof.blogspot.com/2011/09/press-gang-last-group-sailor-wants-to.html) also has potential as denizens of some 'mansions of madness', as do some unconventional Freebooter 'pirates' http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/en/catalog/miniatures/pirates. ...) and Carnevale now has 'mad doctors' and people having missed their sanity roll http://vesper-on.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=6&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=7&lang=en.
(Btw some recent additions to PP 'Everblight' huge warbeasts are quite 'Lovecraftian' http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warbeasts / http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/battle-engines/throne-of-everblight).




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But then can even a game with such a specialized setting as Malifaux http://www.malifaux.com/ be transposed to the 18th C.? YES.
As for 'human' figures many are not in blatantly 'period' dress and can be used. 'Normal' 18th C. minis can replace those in 'steampunk' costume; additionally 'quasi-18th C.' minis such as the PP Cygnar 'Arcane Tempest Gun Mages' could be thrown in the mix: http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/units e.g. such as Guild Guards.
The difficulty mainly come from the typically Steampunk 'mechanical' constructs. For 'Lacepunk' I suggest to substitute them (stats unchanged) with bioconstructs: some are already in the Wyrd range, but one can add not a few from Privateer Press 'Hordes' http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery and from other sources such as Zenit Graft http://zenitminiatures.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=99 Patch http://zenitminiatures.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=96 Rotten http://zenitminiatures.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=68 ; Enigma (available also through Taban: http://www.taban-miniatures.com/shop2/index.php?cPath=25_45_40&osCsid=6fc1a1fc9fe46736812abf9524f16175) Dushatâr http://www.taban-miniatures.com/shop2/product_info.php?cPath=25_45_40&products_id=134&osCsid=6fc1a1fc9fe46736812abf9524f16175 Rotten scum http://www.taban-miniatures.com/shop2/product_info.php?cPath=25_45_40&products_id=119&osCsid=6fc1a1fc9fe46736812abf9524f16175 and the Flesh demon for Helldorado: Image
Valiant (32mm Fantasy) also offers some bizarre'... things http://www.veltd.net/32mm04.htm
As for the mechanical tunneling worm, giant worms of the Dune (but undersized) / Tremors are available http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=33964.msg401522#msg401522, the Gribbly Miniatures http://www.gribblyminiatures.co.uk/gallery.php Bileworms
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So, yes, it certainly can be attempted.


In the same vein, The Carnevale rhino http://vesper-on.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=41&category_id=6&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=7&lang=en with its mechanical parts / 'improvements':
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does have a very 'steampunk' look: "The Doctors of the Ospedale, who are a kind of "mad doctors", make experiments."
Indeed, but to give 'Lacepunk' (18th C., the time of the 'Lace Wars') an atmosphere / character / 'feeling' clearly different from 'Steampunk' (2nd half of the 19th C.) I'd seen *biological* rather than mechanical experiments. 'Frankenstein' is early 19th C., and clearly antedates the 'Victorian Science Fiction' period. So much the more as the Doctors of the Ospedale are *medicine* doctors, physicians rather than physicists, biologists but not mechanics.

The GW Tyranids bioweapons are silly, firstly because they seem to imply that the Tyranids have absorbed genes for swords, pistols and guns :)! But chiefly because they are *held* in 'hand'. Now bioweapons are living organisms, actually ectoparasites of the wielder. They have to be fed -totally, in oxygen as well as in nutriments- just in the same way as an embryo is fed through the placenta. Thus bioweapons would not be held but pulled on *like a glove* and root themselves in the forearm of the wielder through a dense network of tendrils. Like the 'Witchblade' Image . Image
but of bone (for the blade) and flesh (for the 'body') with a -rather disgusting- network of tendrils instead of the vambrace.

Such a biowepon could be the cephalothorax of a giant spider put on like a glove -with the mouth and the poisonous chelicerae, and the 8 limbs; spiders produce their silk -sometimes they use their web like a retiarius' net- and for some throw a cloud of venomous hairs, with their abdomen, but 'bioengineered' why they could not do it with their front half?
 These to arm an human; but variations are unlimited. think of a brainwashed human slave, or a gorilla, with the 'unfolding' mouth of the super-vampires of 'Blade 2' + the 'biting tongue' of the 'Alien' creature... The rhino, rather than flexible pipes, could carry on his back a 'biocannon' -the head of the 'spitting' termite http://www.lerako.net/blog/wp-content/u ... G_5289.jpg but the size of a little barrel, and orientable on 270° ...

Cipher Sudios in the 'Anima Tactics' range offers interesting 'Lacepunk-compatible' bioconstructs models (and for that same reason could be used to play MALIFAUX in the 18th C.: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=251127 )
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and several of the characters, with at most a little 'paint conversion', could well join the Carnivale (check by yourself https://cipher-studios.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1!):
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Similarly, some Dark Age figurines could also fit -or or two as 'characters', several as 'bioconstructs'
http://dark-age.com/index.php
http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/dark-age-games
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Maelstorm games 'Rose of Ker-Ys' could also be used as a (female, for a change) bioconstruct:
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Titan Forge http://titan-forge.com/fantasy_miniatures_daemonic_kingdom_daemonic_skydevil 'Skydevil'
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may be an 'emphatically NOT creature of Tzeentch, but is quite 'Lovecraftian' in a "From Beyond" (*) way, as are, actually, several 'authentic' beings of Tzeentch:
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as were the old 'Disks' (the early Flamers on the other hand were laughable).
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*: the pink flying jellyfishes; googling delivered no good image, so instead:
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Re: SYW Pulp

Postby abdul666lw » January 14th, 2012, 2:26 am

Lacepulp update...

- TMP debate about what is, and what is not 'Pulp': everlasting controversy, new thread: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=254283

-TMP debate on the interpretation of vignettes ( :lol: ) http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=254879 : I agree with Grey Wolf -having observed it too often on my students and, unfortunately, my own daughter- that the abundance of ready-made images (TV, video games) *kills* imagination. When you had to *read* the description of a scene, how detailed the description could be, to 'visualize' it you had to *imagine* a lot to fill the blanks.

- Rules suitable for 'Pride and Prejudice and Zombies': http://theminiaturespage.com/news/1329075189/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JdPvyy93I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVr_Whqd-jo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_gh-maRlw8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IceJmiPKGXQ


- They are what they are, but the 'Van Helsing' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrOqCgDgXfQ . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKR-jxmaRHU as well as the 'Solomon Kane' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSDZNHYLDOY movies (well, even 'Black Death' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj3Jw1DLGpA!) could be replayed in the mid-18th C.

- First game of 'Witchfinder' reported on TMP: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=255257 (blog post: http://pijlieblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/witchfinder-general-sneak-peek.html: shamelessly jumped on this excuse to promote Lacepulp once more!

- Lovecraftian monstrosities in resin:
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The sculptor of the 'Young Dark' and builder of the awesome terrain used for the demo pics of Carnevale http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=247614
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http://freaklandscenics.blogspot.com/2011/12/venecia-la-ciudad-de-los-canales-ii.html
is part of a team of sculptors trying to sell their non-commissioned work directly: http://freaklandscenics.blogspot.com/p/catalogo-de-miniaturas.html
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- For other Lovecraftian monstrosities (or 'bioconstructs' to replace mechanical contraptions in a '18th C. Malifaux' http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=251127), the Spanish 'Sphere Wars' range offers 'interesting beasties among the 'Vastagos-de-Kurgan' http://www.spherewars.com/Spherewarshop/index.php/vastagos-de-kurgan.html
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and 'Island of Dr Moreau'-like men-beasts / 'original' werecreatures among the 'Adeptos-de-Malesur' http://www.spherewars.com/Spherewarshop/index.php/adeptos-de-malesur.html
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- While intended for 15mm gaming, Rebel Minis Sci-Fi Bugs and Creatures http://rebelminis.com/scbuandcr.html if in swarms can well appear in a 28mm game as 'creepers' or, for some, 'bioconstucts'.
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Update O2.05."12:
'Wonderland project' produces 35mm minis http://www.wonderlands-project.com/wonder-miniatures/, but some are scale-independent enough to fit with 28 – 30mm ones:
http://www.wonderlands-project.com/shop/athanor_10_fantastique_bebe-kabom__wpath-003.html:
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http://www.wonderlands-project.com/shop/twec_19_editions-limitees_engeances-demoniaques-fils-de-la-famine-gluantesque__twec-le001.html:
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Those Taban miniatures (for their post-apo game 'Eden' http://www.taban-miniatures.com/shop2/product_info.php?cPath=48_54&products_id=349) are generic enough:
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Valiant offers many models full of potential:
http://www.veltd.net/32mm/vel1110.htm
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http://www.veltd.net/32mm/vel3003.htm
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walls http://www.veltd.net/32mm04.htm
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Re: SYW Pulp

Postby greatwhitezulu » January 28th, 2012, 10:41 pm

Abdul,

You are on the wrong forum. This place is a mess. You needto go here

http://wargameraustralis.forumer.com/index.php
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...his whole mass of cavalry came on at speed in the most splendid style. The rush of horse, the sound of the earth, the waving of flags, the brandishing of spears, were grand beyond description but perfectly ineffectual.
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Re: SYW Pulp

Postby greatwhitezulu » January 28th, 2012, 10:42 pm

Mind you, the class of people on this forum is better :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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...his whole mass of cavalry came on at speed in the most splendid style. The rush of horse, the sound of the earth, the waving of flags, the brandishing of spears, were grand beyond description but perfectly ineffectual.
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Re: SYW Pulp

Postby abdul666lw » January 30th, 2012, 12:04 am

Abdul,
You are on the wrong forum. This place is a mess. You need to go here
http://wargameraustralis.forumer.com/index.php


I know... but last time I visited one had still to be registered to enter (OK, I am, but....); and 9 times out of 10 I can't edit a post.


Some updates:
'Where to buy Cthulhu minis' thread on the Lead Adventure Forum updated: http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=33964.0
See also: http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=36981.0 for the new Fantasy Flight Games minis;
Ex illis minis of potential use http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=256036:
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Shamelessly hijacked the TMP
"Witchfinder General pics" http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=255257
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"A Cthulhu Cult" http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=254283
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"Space: 1909 or Space: 1939???" http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=255971
threads to promote 'Lacepulp'
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Re: SYW Pulp

Postby abdul666lw » January 30th, 2012, 3:06 am

Witches...
What is the *real* aspect of a witch?
Strikingly beautiful / sexy young woman or crone / hag?

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The Church and Walt Disney of course proclaim witches are by nature ugly; BUT imho the very least a competent witch can do on herself is to keep her body young and appealing for centuries -*really*, not by casting an illusory 'glamour'. If unable to do this, how could she turn a prince into a frog / wolf or a damsel into a doe / hawk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow712WkL6HA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVfL2bGa4Uo

Thus the illusion would be the 'crone / hag' appearance.
In a society where religious and secular authorities want you burned at the stake, if you are not the Queen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Dq2psogSw better to live in some backwater wilderness. And not to tempt brigands and marauding soldiers, better to look old, ugly and desperately poor. Hence the miserable, squalid hut; but in a secret basement a concealed door opens on an underground palace -or is a 'portal' to a lovely, cozy schloss, inaccessible on some mountain top or island in a lake… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65EKy5FcGu0


Some supporting evidence can be found in very old Swedish songs: in Konungen och Trollkvinnan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsLz6ZFsFN4 the 'troll' witch is so beautiful that she catches the king's heart [and… lust :mrgreen:]: not by bewitchment, since she spurns his advance. But 'troll' in this case is simply a pejorative for 'pagan': in Herr Mannelig(*) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB27Az3xIpU the squire declines to marry the 'troll woman' *only* because she is not Christian.
'De-humanizing' the enemy is a propaganda trick as old as humankind.
It helped that 'pagans' were reputed to use magic, and in old French Fée means 'magical' (there were fay swords -no, NOT Stormbringer!- and fay horses such as Bayard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_%28legend%29) but 'fay people' can refer to a purely human magician (Morgan le Fay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_le_Fay) or an inhabitant of Faerie (heirs of the Gallo-Roman nymphs and other spirits of nature + Elves everywhere a Germanic cultural influence set in after the Invasions: Melusine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melusine). 'Magic users' (Pagans) were mixed up with their minor deities.
Btw, this suggests an unexpected meaning to 'troll hunter': stalking not that:
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but this:
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:oops:
Indeed that, like <i>Fée</i> in French 'troll' can refer both to a magical being' and a witch finds a confirmation from the Faroe Islands: 'betrolled' = 'bewitched' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r8svQkdpLY (a more 'shamanic' interpretation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpiFmZLICgM).
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*: almost 'baroque' (at the beginning) interpretation, fittingly of an Italian translation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Gftfmw3i8




Then, why so many witches, and why Fées with time referred only to women? (male 'Elves' were mostly remembered in very old texts -'The Elvish Knight', and the 'King of Elves' re-written by Goethe). Probably because for the Church they were *evil*, and the Woman, Eve or Lilith, is a 'vase of impiousness', a lethal temptress, a potential agent of Satan.
Also because some forms of 'magics' were specially associated with women: they were more seeresses (re the Pythia, the Sibyls…) than seers. This was specially marked in Germanic cultures, where the shamanic seidhr magic (probably of Finno-Ugric origin) was restricted to 'voelvur' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lva (males trying to practice it -Odin first- were blamed of 'feminization'; indeed Siberian male shamans often wear women's dresses).
And shamanic magic was deeply associated with shape-changing to animal form (re Loki, 'Thor's little sidekick' on Lapp drums, who got pregnant in female animal form, and the frequent shapeshifting in the Kalevala). This may for a part explain the 'hybrid' nature of German / Scandinavian Holda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holda / Huldra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huldra, (from the old Huld human seeress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huld); a 'background' of shapeshifter making even easier to mix up a magician with a magical being http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7zmNhJEqXU.
Note that, just like Morgan le Fay, all these female characters were 'good' in the oldest texts, and turned 'officially evil' later, in the same way as Merlin is 'off the loop' in the most Christianized part of the Arthurian Cycle, the quest for the Grail.
Yet the misogyny of the Church certainly explains why, once deemed *evil*, most magical creatures -mermaids, the Marie-Morganes of Brittany, the Lorelei…- were female: the Temptation, the death of the Man or of his soul, is female.

And, btw, Witches go by three… female characters *have* to go by three: the Moirai, the Furies, the Gorgons, the Graces, the Goddesses of the Judgment of Paris, the Nornes, the Somi Saaraahka, Juoksahka and Oksaahka, the 3 Morrigan, Ériu and her 2 sisters, Morgan and her 2 sisters, the pre-Coranic '3 cranes'… down to Shakespeare's (and Pratchett's) 3 witches and Disney's 3 good fairies ;) .
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Thus any miniature of a 'lovely' 18th C. woman could be used for a witch. Then, for those wanting her... unconventional nature to be displayed by the figurine, some subdued 'vampire countess' could fit the bill:
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probably OOP, but the current 'Isabella' is also fitting for a 18th C. setting:
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Additonally the mere addition of a tricorne immediately 'labels' a figurine '18th C.' (the Wargame Factory box of 'plastic generic WSS infantry' http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/horse-and-musket/war-of-spanish-succession-infantry is an abundant, and relatively inexpensive, source of tricornes and other accessories):
GW Lahmia turned into a 18th C. Fée / witch of sorts:
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(from http://herrschaden.blogspot.com/2009/08/direktor-images.html).
While the 5 Foundry 'female Revenant Elves' are already in 'quasi-18th C.' dress:
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The witch in 'Sleepy Hollow' Image does not look as a witch at all. Indeed it would be too easy for the witchfinders / witch hunters (and so beneficial to 'non-witch' people!) if the witches were compulsorily ugly crones in Disney regulations official witch uniform! Then I understand that gaming minis have to display their 'nature', hence that the most distinguishing, essential, features have to be emphasized (re Tin Man Princess Delia:
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Yet no need to overdo it: why witch hunters figurines have to be dressed as Solomon Kane even in a medieval (D&D) or Early Renaissance (Mordheim) setting? For 'rococo' witches 'medium terms' are available, such as Reaper so called 'Steampunk' witch http://www.reapermini.com/figurefinder#detail/50236
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(though I'd prefer her with a tricorne).

(Soda Pop Fiametta is comely but probably 'too much' for 'serious' players -even given a tricorne:
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Just for the fun: http://www.rapierminiatures.co.uk/page/Range/28mm_Fantasy.html
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Relevant (?) movies: 'Mark of the Devil' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_of_the_Devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAHGq-6d9aE
and its sequel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZhNTwt-dY
Nobody expects the Austrian Inquisition :mrgreen:
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(add a Traleton 'caterpillar' to C.H's 'Bleriot crosses the Channel, 1909' helmet to make him 18th C.-compatible 'militant clergy')

And -at least for Barbara Steele:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk3GhToRc44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTC2vRfyVJY
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Re: SYW Pulp

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The Priory of Sion as a 'Lacepulp' cult?
Proposed topic on TMP: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=256383
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Re: SYW Pulp

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Re: SYW Pulp

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Lovecraftian News

Vesper [/b]showed the 'official' version of the '[b]Aberration':
http://vesper-on.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58%3Anovedades-marzo-2012&catid=1%3Apost&lang=en
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Sculptor Simon Lee did a resin 'Cthulhu Spawn'
http://www.bigbluetree.com/item.cfm?id=83&ptype=0&start_row=1
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and several sculpts that are... disturbing enough to be used as 'Elder Gods' or 'proliferating living corpses', The Shunned House fashion:
Butterball
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http://blog.garagekitzombie.com/2010/09/22/butterball-done.aspx


but also
Hell Courtesan
http://www.bigbluetree.com/courtesan.cfm?hypertype=2#pagetop

Quadruped
http://www.bigbluetree.com/item.cfm?id=14&ptype=1&start_row=1

Snake Witch
http://www.bigbluetree.com/item.cfm?id=61&ptype=10&start_row=1
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Re: SYW Pulp

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STILL TRYING TO SPREAD THE GOOD WORD
Edited O5.20."13

now on the Lead Adventure Forum:
initiating a specially devoted thread
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=43046
eagerly answering a question
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=30890.msg515187#msg515187
Hypocritically posted a 'board etiquette' query which was a 'disguised advert' for Lacepulp and Lacepunk
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44942.0
Started a threat about a 'Gothic 3 Musketeers'
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=45194.0 mostly to suggest to adapt it to the 18th C. (also on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=278634&page=1)
or shamelessly hijacking other threads:
about a 'gothic horror' book http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=43733.msg511943#msg511943
Strange Aeons http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44462.msg522183#msg522183
Malifaux http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44850.msg522244#msg522244
Empire of the Dead http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44911.msg524220#msg524220
2 threads about a 'Werewolf' movie http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44255.0
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=47007.0
a 'Lovecraftian' game http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=42516.msg514954#msg514954
a (marvelous) series of fantasy models
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=39498.msg511939#msg511939
or fantasy miniatures
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=44462.msg522183#msg522183
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=43074.msg503774#msg503774
2 threads about miniatures for 'Assassin's Creed III' characters http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=46876.0 http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=47007.0
eagerly answered a query about the 'Colonial Gothic' game http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=48846.msg568842
hijacked (again!) a thread about a Werewolf movie http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=47007.msg568822#msg568822

Also on TMP hijacked a 'Lovecraftian' thread:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=275825,
a 'Franklin's galvanic weapons' one:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=278962
a 'Wargaming in Dinotopia' thread intended for VSF:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=280612
and a series of comments to (excellently painted) minis for 'Empire of the Dead'
http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.fr/2012/07/more-victorian-zombies-and-group-picture.html

And launched a '18th C. Empire of the Dead?' http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=276792 and a 'A 18th C. Witcher?' http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=277651 TMP threads,
and 'invaded' the new 18th C. Imagi-Nation board of the 'Rum Corps Tavern' http://ozwargaming.com/viewtopic.php?f=134&t=5407&p=34298#p34298
as well as the new 'Odd fellows' forum: http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?174-A-few-Lacepulp-amp-Lacepunk-links

A TMP post about "1812 - Napoleon on Mars" http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=281259 I hijacked and passed on the '18th C. Imagi-Nations' board http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=281364 and the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=46168.0. Then I posted my ramblings about "1745 - Maurice de Saxe on Mars" on Les Royaumes de l'Imagination http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=152, the new Odd Fellows Lounge forum http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?211-18th-C-swashbuckling-on-Mars-or-in-Mu and on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=281823, where while I was at it I hijacked a thread about Dinotopia http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=280612 :idea:

Started a TMP thread about a recent Norwegian movie featuring a Huldra: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=289796 and seized this opportunity to resurrect a 'Werewolves' one: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=249561; topic developed on the RdlI http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=169

Mentioned on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=289907 and the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=48884.0 the possible use of PP Cygnar Arcane Tempest Gun Mages' as 'alternate 18th C. SWAT' http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=170&p=591#p591.

:arrow: 2013: took a film Indiegogo http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=81&p=612#p612 as an excuse to resurrect old 'Lacepunk' thread on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=249561 and the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=32208.msg472801#msg472801 with new links.

:arrow: Updated the glimpses at mid-18th C. esoteric / occult / secret 'services' and societies both on NPU http://passageoflines.50.forumer.com/inspiration-for-a-moonlit-night-in-lusitania-game-t365788.html#p2200721 and the MC blog http://mcristobylacew-abdul666.blogspot.fr/2007/09/lace-wars-sci-fi.html#%C2%A3o%C3%8Ag. Started a corresponding thread on both TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=292756 and (more detailed) on the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49673.0 -well,two complementary ones actually: http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49766.0, since cross-posting is not possible on fora; also two threads on the Odd Fellows Wargaming Lounge http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?283-The-Lemuel-Gulliver-Fellowship / http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?283-The-Marquis).

:arrow: Hijacked a thread on the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=48702.0 and one on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=292822 about potentially inspirational movies.

:arrow: Hijacked a thread on TMP about a new 18th C. Imagi-Nation in North America http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=293604 and three on the LAF, one about inspirational conversions http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=48966.msg570961#msg570961, one about 'Playing Cthulhu with Brink of Battle' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49861.0 and one about 'Empire of the Dead' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49931.0.

Seized the excuse of an upcoming 'Hawkmoon' Eureka range to hijack 2 different threads on the LAF Fantasy board http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49367.msg593960#msg593960 / http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=47685.msg593961#msg593961, posting 'relevant' links.
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Posted on the Odd Fellows Wargaming Lounge about available rules for 'Lacepulp' games / campaigns: http://www.theoddfellowslounge.com/forums/showthread.php?288-Rules-for-Lacepulp-games

Joyously invaded (twice) a LAF thread 'Lacepunk/Clockpunk/Weird 1600–1700s' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=51419.0, with a number of relevant links inserted in my posts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RTx5fowAw&t=21s

Posted unsolicited suggestions about a 18th C. transposition of 'Pride & Prejudice & Zombies' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=51679.msg606609#msg606609
and unsolicited comments about ornithopters http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=50623.msg608539#msg608539

Practiced thread necromancy twice on the LAF http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=51419.0 / http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49673.0 to 'advertise' a fellow wargamer's new endeavor "Tricornes and zombies"http://adventuresinlead.blogspot.fr/2013/05/18th-century-horror.html

Taking excuse of the Le Chevalier D'Eon Lacepulp anime I resurrected the 'Lacepulp: 18th C. vampyrs and werewolves' thread on TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=249561 and the 'Lacepunk/Clockpunk/Weird 1600–1700s' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=51419.0 & '18th C. Torchwood' http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49673.0 on the LAF; also updated the 'Hellsing by Lace Wars times?' http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=120 on the Royaumes de l'Imagination.
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